Tuesday, 24 September 2024

My guide to restoration, part 1

I often get asked the question ‘how much did it cost you’ or ‘how much would it cost to restore another bike’?

It’s a difficult question to answer as prices for parts and bikes vary so much as parts bikes get harder to find and there is not an indefinite supply. Over the next few posts I will try a break it down to give you a realistic guide depending on how deep you want to go and what finish you want to achieve.

Bike

Prices are varying wildly right now but the days of the £300-400 project bike are long gone. Budget anywhere between £1000 and £2000 for a good usable bike, but again I would also consider what you want to end up with. If you are thinking about a factory fresh bike a £2000 bike will cost similar to a £1000 bike to fully restore, but a £2000 bike will need minimal spend to get it into decent usable condition.

Engine

I would always recommend re-building the engine, this way cases can be painted when apart so it looks so much better when its put together. If you are paying someone to do this factor in £400-£500 depending on the parts used, but if its coming apart fit new bearings, seals and gaskets.


Painting

Powder coating is easy but don’t be tempted in taking this short cut and get everything done as again this wont match the factory finish in a lot of places. Spray painting gives a ‘thinner’ finish so is more applicable to a lot of brackets, yokes, handlebar etc. You can get a good finish with a rattle can for not a lot of money. Be carful with mixing OEM painted panels with freshly painted panels as the OEM will most likely be faded by now and they won’t match. If you are painting everything, budget anywhere between £300-£1000 depending on finish and who is doing it?



Graphics

There are some genuinely good graphic kits out there now that are inexpensive (£50) and give great results. Be very careful with tank graphics placement, poor placement kills the whole visual look of the bike.


Bolts

I went down the path of re-zincing all my original bolts, however if the bolt is chewed up or rusty all you will end up with is a clean looking corroded bolt. Bath zinc plating is actually pretty cheap, so is good value and keeps an original part. Lots of replacement bolts are available from Honda and I used this as the next level replacement. Lastly you can easily and cheaply replace any bolt with alloy or stainless replacements, this for me is the last option. Zinc plating from around £30.


Shiny parts

The bike didn’t really have anything polished as standard, don’t be tempted to over polish fork legs as they should have a satin style finish. The fuel filler cap is chrome and the advice I had (and will pass on) was to only fit a genuine Honda item as aftermarket caps leak and can damage the paint on the fuel tank.


Rubber parts

Nothing makes a bike look new more than by fitting fresh rubber. Consider new handlebar grips, foot peg rubbers and tyres.


Plastic parts

A really good level of finish can be achieved using plastic trim creams and polishes. New parts can still be found, or a good quality second hand part? For example my original rear mudguard was cut down, so I used a good second hand part cleaned with a plastic polish.



Details

It’s the small things that make a difference such as warning decals, cable tidies, washers and springs. Make an effort here to lift the overall project.


No longer available parts

You will encounter some road blocks along the way where you will find that some parts are no longer available so will require either specialist restoration, for example the front brake or replacement with a good quality used option.


The end result

My personal bike required a lot of replacement parts in the end to achieve the level of finish I wanted. I could of achieved a quality non-original finished bike for less money, but that was not what I was aiming for. 

In the next post I will share the break down of all the re-finished and replacement parts I used to complete my restoration.








Tuesday, 27 August 2024

The Classic Motorcycle Mechanics Show 2024 - show prep 1

Great news! Once again I have been invited to display my MBX80 as a private entry at the Classic Motorcycle Mechanics Show, Stafford Showground on the 12-13th October 2024.

Show prep 1 is a little different than last year, although there will be a list of mods in-coming to get show ready. This time I have been thinking about how the bike is displayed, the show information and any potential goodies I can give away, not for bribes (!!!) but to friends for their own show memorabilia collections or tool boxes. 

First off I have been playing around with some new logos based of a scan from the actual side cover graphic and also a graphic version of the bike set to a back drop of body colours. To commemorate the Stafford show I have made a small batch of 'Safford' edition decals which I will give away to friends at the show. If there is any demand I have also made a black bike version of the graphic as well that I could print to sell, not to make any money on but just because they are nice! Leave a comment or message me if you are interested?

everybody loves a sticker!

Secondly I did miss a few people at the 23 show so I have decided to make myself a little more obvious this time... This is the MK1 t shirt, but I have a better idea for the front graphic so I will be making a MK2 t shirt. If you see someone in a MBX80 T shirt, its me, so hit me up! Again if a T shirt is of interest I can get these printed with either the white bike or black bike depending on preference. Leave a comment or ping me a message if you are interested?

T shirt time

Lastly I wanted to up my game with the machine info card, so instead of an A4 stand I have opted to use an A3 (basically 2  A4), this way I can show a few resto progress images as well as include bike and 'about me' info.

info card V1

Lastly if you want more show info or to buy tickets, you can do so here:


Thursday, 22 August 2024

MBX80 full fairing

In the UK the MBX came with the 'bikini' style faring that we know and love, however in the owners hand book there was a line drawing of a bike with a full fairing that hinted there was something much more exotic out there....

original image owners manual, processed image www.mbx80.co.uk

Honda officially produced the MBX80 with a full faring, originally marketed in Japan as the 'Integra' perhaps alluding to a connection to Honda's super-sporty coupe of the same name? See the original Honda press release for this model here:


The full fairing model was available in all three MBX colour generations. See all models/ colours here:


MK1 white, black or red. ***NOTE Honda Wing logo on the fuel tank

MK2 White, black or red

MK3 Rothmans blue or red

A few aftermarket fairing suppliers also popped up so you could convert your standard MBX and five it the full fairing look. Two notable mentions are Kitaco of Japan and Pichler Germany.



Kitaco fairing on MBX50





Do you want one? 





Monday, 3 June 2024

My bike is on the classic bike show's feed again!

 My bike featuring in the Classic Bike Show's feed again plus one of another one of my bikes...


 

Monday, 18 March 2024

Honda accessories instruction booklet

This is a Japanese 'Honda Accessories' instruction booklet that I actually got with a belly pan, however the instructions are for the fitting of the nose fairing which was also available as a spare part. The gatefold booklet is written in Japanese with the English words 'Co-ordinate Fine & Motorcycle Life' written at the top. Have you ever seen one before?




Tuesday, 16 January 2024

MBX80 Double Disc

The UK market MBX80 gained a front double disc brake, this made an already well specked machine even more desirable especially when you are 17!  The model codes for the double disc models are FWD-D (1983) and FWD-F (1985). 

To make this conversion you need quite a few parts and they are also quite rare as it seems they are not shared with any another Honda model, you will need:


1/ left fork leg - 51521GE3601
2/ disc rotor  - 45121166000
3/ brake callipers LH + RH (these are single piston sliding callipers) - 45100GE3601 + 45101GE3601 
4/ fork brace with left hand hose guide - 
61102GE3600
5/ brake hoses (3pcs) - various, I used these
6/ Front brake two-way joint - 45128GE3601 
7/ front brake master cylinder (different piston size). - 45500GE3601
8/ disc rotor bolts x 3 - 90155GE3600
 
You can get the part numbers and some parts on CMS  https://www.cmsnl.com/honda-mbx80fwd-1983-d_model49948/partslist/

For the front brake restoration and to more closely look at the parts take a look at these previous posts



Thursday, 21 December 2023

Allspeed Exhausts

 A friend of the page Alan Price has contacted Gibson exhausts today to enquire about producing the classic Allspeed exhaust in chrome for the MBX80.

Alan is happy to lend them his bike as a template but the one-off cost is £500. If anybody else wants an Allspeed Gibson needs to get to a batch of 5 to get the unit price down to £445.
If you want to get a new exhaust at the better price please contact via the facebook group



Monday, 6 November 2023

FWD-F second sighting

The elusive 2nd generation MBX80 FWD-F UK bike that I last posted about here has made another appearance, this time I found an old article in Practice Sprotsbikes (Oct 2012) about 125's in the 80's and here was a FWDF hiding in plain site! This bike is another black and red machine, registration C921 TRE.

Vehicle Details

Vehicle make HONDA
Date of first registration
March 1986
Year of manufacture 1986
Cylinder capacity 79 cc
CO₂ emissions Not available
Fuel type PETROL
Euro status Not available
Real Driving Emissions (RDE) Not available
Export marker No
Vehicle status Untaxed
Vehicle colour RED
Vehicle type approval Not available
Wheelplan 2 WHEEL
Revenue weight Not available
Date of last V5C (logbook) issued 22 April 1988
Tax due: 1st April 1989

does anybody have this bike, is it in the back of your shed?







Tuesday, 17 October 2023

Show report: Classic Motorcycle Mechanics Show Stafford 14-15th October 2023

Now with the bike in a pretty good condition we loaded it into the van and made our way to the Stafford County Showground. Getting in is fairly painless with the pass the organisers send you (which has your stand allocation number on it), the security gave us a couple of wristbands and we were in. As soon as the bike rolled down the ramp out of the van a guy flew over on his Raleigh Burner and said 'I knew what that was as soon as it came out and wanted to get a better look'! It turns out he had several M Honda's so was definitely in to the bike.

We made our way to the main hall and found our spot and picked up the welcome pack, this had the security tag and a neat metal show badge to prove we done it. After a quick clean and set up the rope went across the front and we were show ready.

The first day was really great meeting a few new people and some facebook connects including the serial Honda restorers and www.mb5.co.uk guys Tony and Steve Mawson. These guys have restored more MB/X bikes and won more awards than you can shake a stick at, but very approachable and very encouraging for a first timer like me. I also met up with Andrew Longley who still has his Honda MT5 from when he was 16 amongst a fleet of mopeds and manages a few facebook pages including Retro mopeds of the 70's and 90's. I also managed to touch base with Phil Holme of Holmetech whom Id previously sold a bike to and was there with his Kawasaki AR club. I got to say everyone was super-nice and catching up with everybody made the whole day feel like you were definitely a part of something.

Day two is when the awards and rosettes are given out to the winning machines. Honestly, the standard of bikes is so high I had no expectations and was just happy to be a part of the show, but to my delight the MBX had won a 'Highly Commended' award! The show gives out 30 of these as runners up, so to win one at the first visit to the show was pretty special. The rest of the day was spent checking out all the other winners and marvelling at the quality of their bikes.

At the end of the show after a security check we wheeled the bike of the booth where somebody immediately asked if it was for sale, obviously not!

Overall the show was a fantastic experience, from the organisers to the fellow exhibitors. It was an extremely welcoming and inclusive experience and makes you feel part of the classic bike scene, which is a nice place to be. I will very much look forward to next year and will try to get a couple of bikes in!

If this inspires you to give it a go keep an eye on the Stafford Classic Bike Shows website for updates and how to apply to exhibit.

a least it wasn't raining!

into the hall

and in to its allocated space, PE7

Day 1

Day 2, time to find out who won an award

Day 2

Henry Cole, Allen Millyard and Skid on stage

Day 2, with award

me

Holmetech's AR80

the only other MBX80 (or M Honda) at Stafford in the auction 


info card from the display



Monday, 9 October 2023

show prep, part 2

 The final pieces for the show prep turned up, in my eyes its not perfect and there are a few things I would still like to change, but the bike is good and I'll keep chasing those last few things.

Firstly tyres. The original tyres are Bridgestone and long out of production, so the choice is some replica tyres made in the far east or a branded modern tyre. After going round in circles on this I opted for a modern Metzler ME22. Demon Tweeks has 30% off these at the moment and you can get them here: My friend at a local garage fitted them for me.


While the wheels were off I took the opportunity to fit a NOS mudguard piece. 

Next some official Honda parts from CMSNL.I ordered new handle bar grips, handlebar clamp bolts, tank warning decal, mirror and also a new speedo worm gear and oil seal which goes back to the 'noise' project.


Lastly I ordered a new old dealer number plate from Retro Plates to finish the look.



Next stop.... Stafford Classic Bike Show 14-15th October